. >> let me ask you as editor and publisher of the newspaper in germany, how is the nsa spying -- >> being handled? >> yeah. >> let me tell you what i think. if president obama would ask me, i would give him the following sp irgs spiel, yes, mr. president. we always do the spying, we spy on each other, even on friends. we do it, you do it, the french, the brits. first rule is don't get caught. since you always get caught eventually, mr. president, it's not worth it. i wouldn't do it. not with my best european ally. so let prudence prevail over paranoia. and then if you would still keep me there i would say, you know, paranoia is getting out of bounds in this country. >> mm-hmm. >> you're going to grant al qaeda that kind of victory by quaking in fear? >> we could do an hour on the myth of america's decline. thank you so much for giving us a small taste of the book. jos ergs f jaffe, thank you. >> thank you. >> up next from unemployed to internet sensation. how a young photographer is capturing the pulse of new york city. louis will bring us that when "morning joe" comes right back. i